From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:15:30 +0300 Message-ID: <83vbcbjrel.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> <20150818154857.GC2262@acm.fritz.box> <83bne4lb46.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1yjx3ca.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439993810 1130 80.91.229.3 (19 Aug 2015 14:16:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 19 16:16:41 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4AM-0005kP-07 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:16:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48144 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4AK-0004kr-Vs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:16:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43320) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4AD-0004hF-54 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:16:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4A7-0004xq-0W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:16:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:45479) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4A6-0004xc-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:16:18 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NTC00H00237WJ00@mtaout26.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:19:20 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NTC00EJQ2G8C450@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:19:20 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87d1yjx3ca.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188949 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Cc: Yuri Khan , > acm@muc.de, > eggert@cs.ucla.edu, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, > dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:19:17 +0900 > > > And once again, when all is said and done, and the [Windows-] > > ported code handles Unicode characters correctly when writing to the > > console, you are back at the console font problem I mentioned above: > > anything outside the European locales is downright impossible, and > > inside Europe you have only the ugly Lucida Console font. > > Not to prejudge the overall issue, as there are many users of free > environments opposed to the curvely quotes, but seriously: you > complain that you use non-free software and its vendor doesn't support > a proposed Emacs feature? I didn't complain. You are confusing me with someone else. I have no problem with these quotes, the way they are currently supported by Emacs. You won't find me arguing against them in this thread (or any other thread). What I did was describe the situation on Windows in this respect in response to a specific post that IMO misrepresented it. I believe Emacs behavior when displaying curved quotes on the Windows console is adequate, but that doesn't mean the problems we are facing there don't exist, or can be dismissed or easily solved. I reported one such minor problem lately, and Paul fixed it in a way that I consider satisfactory. > Surely this should not be a consideration in Emacs development -- if > Emacs features can be supported on Windows or Mac, fine, do it, but > Windows or Mac lack of support for an Emacs feature is no reason to > avoid installing that feature. Red herring. I never said nor did anything to the contrary. I actually wrote some (small part) of the code to support this feature. You are confusing me with someone else.