From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:11:46 +0200 Message-ID: <83vb4sj34t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fhamxwq.fsf@gnu.org> <87io0u4bip.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83mvq5jcw7.fsf@gnu.org> <87shzxdkbe.fsf@russet.org.uk> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457719959 3658 80.91.229.3 (11 Mar 2016 18:12:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, fgunbin@fastmail.fm, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 11 19:12:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRY9-0006Rs-7r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 19:12:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57061 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRY8-0000nk-AK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:12:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRXu-0000n7-Uc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:12:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRXr-0001EU-3f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:12:18 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRXr-0001EP-0T; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:12:15 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3916 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRXq-0005z3-6G; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:12:14 -0500 In-reply-to: <87shzxdkbe.fsf@russet.org.uk> (phillip.lord@russet.org.uk) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201478 Archived-At: > From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) > Cc: Yuri Khan , fgunbin@fastmail.fm, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:57:09 +0000 > > I am working on this. My tutorial is now 480 lines long, so it may need > some pruning. I have buffers and files to do. My plan is to finish off > with Emacs packages, but getting users to install a new package from > ELPA. Isn't that a chicken-and-egg problem? How can you have a tutorial that depends on enough knowledge needed to install ELPA packages?