From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 05:43:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83vb0rv1ky.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <831t3fx5pu.fsf@gnu.org> <878txnej61.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467254626 7284 80.91.229.3 (30 Jun 2016 02:43:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 02:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 30 04:43:43 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bIRx7-0006ly-49 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 04:43:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46604 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIRx5-00047X-U2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:43:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIRx0-00047R-59 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:43:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIRwv-0000wW-W2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:43:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60201) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIRwv-0000wG-TE; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:43:29 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4180 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bIRwv-00007F-46; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:43:29 -0400 In-reply-to: <878txnej61.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> (dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204969 Archived-At: > From: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:15:18 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp > > (defun org-xor (a b) > > "Exclusive or." > > (if a (not b) b)) > > #+END_SRC > > > > Once again, this sounds like saying that my documents _must_ be Org > > formatted, or the feature won't work. > > > > Do you see the point now? > > I see your point, but you can't blame Org for it. No one is blaming Org. If you can understand how the above turns down potential users, you can appreciate the advantages of the alternative design principles suggested by Richard. > And I don't have a problem with its formatting (just an unavoidable > thing in general) because I experience Org as an enabler of Emacs' > functionality triggered from *one* document. So for me Org is as much > Emacs and more as, for example, dired is! For a casual user, these requirements are a disadvantage.