From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 16:55:07 +0300 Message-ID: <83v9lesapw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <831ro2tqqx.fsf@gnu.org> <4a1fd3f4-df92-c756-9874-4d07b54148ac@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="20846"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 02 15:56:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUscj-0005Hf-7t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 15:56:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60330 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUsci-0005o1-9G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 09:56:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54106) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUscE-0004vy-TU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 09:55:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57822) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUscE-0004LM-Ik; Sat, 02 May 2020 09:55:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2873 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jUsbr-0000zy-8A; Sat, 02 May 2020 09:55:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4a1fd3f4-df92-c756-9874-4d07b54148ac@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sat, 2 May 2020 16:29:08 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248441 Archived-At: > Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 16:29:08 +0300 > > On 02.05.2020 16:23, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > You expect the_name_ to tell you all that?? Then what do you think > > of C library functions like realpath or stpcpy or strpbrk or rpmatch? > > Let's please not use the C library as the example of good naming practice. I wasn't the first to introduce that into this discussion. People keep going back to that as an example we should follow. > > Let's not exaggerate, it is only useful if you want to present an > > argument ad absurdum. The world of programming is full of obscure > > acronyms, and there's nothing we can do about that. > > There are more recent popular languages where the situation is much > better. The author of s.el came from one of them. I can only talk about the stuff I'm familiar with. Let others bring up counter-arguments from other places. But while doing that, let's remember to compare the sizes of the languages, because a small enough language can definitely use an exhaustive list of candidates to the benefit of the users.