From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:39:02 +0300 Message-ID: <83v9l18bg9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <878silajdl.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tv18pyh4.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83zhaih0oz.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbegsvm.fsf@gnu.org> <547c9116-c1c3-8563-4aee-c62aa2302861@yandex.ru> <838shybfdo.fsf@gnu.org> <3f79ff6e-2471-fa6d-08ff-682afd504eca@yandex.ru> <83v9l29yz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8qujs0p.fsf@randomsample> <83lfly9vvs.fsf@gnu.org> <835zd29rjb.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="37891"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, deng@randomsample.de, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 16:39:59 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYW4c-0009es-QV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 16:39:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46732 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYW4b-0006dW-Os for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:39:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57554) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYW44-00063F-MZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:39:24 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41946) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYW43-0001vO-TT; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:39:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2740 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jYW43-0008Hc-Ck; Tue, 12 May 2020 10:39:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 11 May 2020 17:12:54 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249972 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Dmitry Gutov , deng@randomsample.de, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 17:12:54 -0400 > > Given the context, the above could be understood to mean that you > consider that developers of MELPA packages are not part of "us" and > don't develop high-quality software. > > I don't think that was your intention, but at the same time I'm not > completely sure what you wanted to say because I don't see the direct > connection with copyright assignments for GNU ELPA (which do nothing for > the quality of software) nor with adding a hypothetical archive like > MELPA-Libre (or GNU-ELPA-contrib) to our `package-archives`. MELPA packages are not part of the Emacs project, yes. As for their quality, all I'm saying is that we should consider the quality when we make the decision whether we want a certain package in ELPA. If the package being considered is not up to our standards, we should ask the developer to make the necessary changes. Like we do with any other contribution to Emacs. Copyright assignments are not related to quality, they are related to our ability to move packages into and out of core without a lot of fuss.