From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Concern about new binding. Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 10:16:49 +0200 Message-ID: <83v9b7orny.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zh0mmr54.fsf@gmail.com> <87y2g5smya.fsf@gmail.com> <4FF55FBF-573D-4A70-B3FC-682CA25B7ECB@gnu.org> <83lfc53whk.fsf@gnu.org> <20210203180142.seu6o3i6u7jhkyrh@Ergus> <83eehx3to5.fsf@gnu.org> <20210203221628.xgvvxjvh56gyswba@Ergus> <20210204070033.pm4ido4hq7a6twif@Ergus> <83sg6brhyg.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6170"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 09:17:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l7wJM-0001W1-Rh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 09:17:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50716 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l7wJL-0006DZ-UG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 03:17:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l7wIV-0005ja-26 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 03:16:59 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56149) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l7wIU-0004WV-Qq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 03:16:58 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2486 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l7wIN-0000yv-9c; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 03:16:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 05 Feb 2021 00:49:22 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263949 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 00:49:22 -0500 > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, kevin.legouguec@gmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, > spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > More than that. Over that time, how often have people > asked for such a global binding? We never bother ourselves with such questions; never did. We consider ourselves to be aware and familiar enough with the Emacs usage landscape to make such decisions without polling users on each and every step, because doing so would slow down development to an unbearable crawl. I always believed that at least part of the reasons we were nominated as maintainers was that people trust us to be capable of representing the bulk of Emacs users, and do it well enough to avoid too many serious mistakes. In a case such as this one, when one of the maintainers says "this makes sense", I expect to hear technical arguments for or against that (btw, only agreements were heard when the original decision in this case was made), but I do NOT expect to hear "go ask the world because you don't really know what you are talking about". In all the 30 years of my uninterrupted active involvement with Emacs development, I don't remember even a single instance of polling users before making user-visible decisions. (I may have missed one or two, but it cannot be more than that.) I'm astonished to hear such demands now. If this is indeed what's required from Emacs maintainers, I will seriously consider resigning, because I cannot in good faith support such ridiculous development practices, let alone such level of mistrust towards my and Lars's experience and knowhow.