From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 21:19:17 +0200 Message-ID: <83v9alw7nu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8629"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 21 20:21:33 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDuIO-00026V-I1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 20:21:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37472 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDuIN-0000RC-IL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 14:21:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55132) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDuGW-0007fX-Vw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 14:19:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40128) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDuGW-00059M-9x; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 14:19:36 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2579 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lDuGR-0005y7-Pm; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 14:19:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:48:20 -0600) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265430 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:48:20 -0600 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Please explain the rationale for the order. It is different from the > > order in the manual and in the menus, so we should at least discuss > > it, and that needs some rationale. > > This was mostly to give a quick example of how it could look. > Sorry for not being more clear. Ah, okay. You said you didn't care for the current order, so I thought the order you suggested was based on some principles yhou could describe. > I agree that we need to think seriously about what the best ordering is, > also compared to the manual. > > If the general direction here is okay, I will provide a full proposal, > including thinking through the order. If the order is not the aspect you wanted us to consider, then which aspects are? I admit that I didn't give a thought to any other aspects yet.