From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:40:03 +0300 Message-ID: <83v92uxfto.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877dfavmzw.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15431"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_T=E1vora?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 21 14:41:56 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mSf5w-0003mq-FS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 14:41:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56364 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSf5u-00009M-I4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:41:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37880) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSf4i-0007ud-MV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:40:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48132) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSf4g-0007fS-Uu; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:40:40 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3107 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSf4C-0008P5-Ko; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:40:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:31:39 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275220 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:31:39 -0400 > > > By its very nature it is an intrusive package, as it defines functions, > > macros and advice outside of the "namespace", but I don't see any way > > around that if transparent compatibility is to be provided (anything > > else would just replicate dash, s, f, ...). > > I think this uncleanliness is a bit risky. Better put the definitions > in their own namespace. I don't think "transparent compatibility" is > worth the trouble here, and I don't think `s`, `f`, ... solve the > same problem. Can symbol-renaming help here, perhaps? I believe Joćo is trying to get it ready in time for Emacs 28.