From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 07:54:12 +0300 Message-ID: <83v8b3mcuj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il8betof.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83fs3dgxv8.fsf@gnu.org> <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <8734y7p7sz.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38327"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 19 06:55:09 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qtL3t-0009iP-GB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 06:55:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtL3C-0006Za-WF; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:54:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtL39-0006ZH-BR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:54:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtL38-0002mY-Ba; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:54:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=s2LjQee18NNzGAbSrKHM89CjVYms0YFvQ/8ucdBu7kQ=; b=OOI8JRr9hNP1 UUqYaVEf9oR1upRiAC7Ev1ricMIrdMjXW61GAeqOmEFOw25k2H2/i4Z/xTBycezE0+Bz8qJxNiMNH eJVZkvltosyxBsu1PeCoBmDeSWHZugjOG/CofgBVyIWDrFiI8SjJV2I8WWFCpodVtLyY/77I6/5/w hTdcL2dyHDPRW7f/U3c2aFKLV9HfpiYRTlgWNU06y8os9DkzcTaPz5JQy1iw+gXX1XjwKIGuzkB79 CU9/XFNBXUk6i3XThUiK1D6RYql+EkfcZT9CpOewl6eMmvMTQ2jptWy4O/E79XscEaBjj1R5Da8lP mEblqTV1mT2wyA+x6QijWg==; In-Reply-To: <8734y7p7sz.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Thu, 19 Oct 2023 06:14:52 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311572 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 06:14:52 +0200 > > Richard Stallman wrote: > > >> 226 files, or 14%, use cl-lib at run time. > > > > These cases may be more or less problematical, but not > > necessarily equally so. > > > > Which of those files are usually loaded when you start Emacs > > with no arguments? Those we should certainly fix. > > I don't know, but at least one since you get the cl-lib stuff > even at 'emacs -Q'. That is not true, since in "emacs -Q" I get this: (featurep 'cl-lib) => nil both in GUI and TTY (i.e. -nw) sessions. So if cl-lib is loaded at startup, Emacs does that because of some user customizations, not by default.