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> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
> Cc: João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com>,  Alan Mackenzie
>  <acm@muc.de>,
>  Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>,  Björn Bidar
>  <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 07:34:49 +0100
> 
> Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> > Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> I don't understand that. If cl-lib were preloaded, it would also be no
> >> problem? 
> >
> > That's an invitation to use it, which will lead to more cryptic cl-lib
> > code.
> 
> Aha, but seq/map are okay because they are preloaded.

map.el isn't preloaded.  Only seq.el is.