From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Keep network security info buffers after use Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 14:35:50 +0200 Message-ID: <83v88j961l.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87plz4irev.fsf@red-bean.com> <83frzufo9x.fsf@gnu.org> <838r5jd56w.fsf@gnu.org> <87mstzwr5j.fsf@red-bean.com> <834jg7d0p2.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6k6chhq.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfxyavde.fsf@neko.mail-host-address-is-not-set> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25788"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: kevin.legouguec@gmail.com, kfogel@red-bean.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tomas Hlavaty Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 27 13:36:43 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rIT9P-0006Rt-CU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 13:36:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rIT8s-00068d-1W; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 07:36:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rIT8q-00068Q-6g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 07:36:08 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rIT8p-0001rY-JE; Wed, 27 Dec 2023 07:36:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=yhhbG74xjuM/N9B5Rss9k65BrkRX5I48XHJBpwOA944=; b=HLfwyUclZKwusDBp4piX 682cKGtO77PbrDtYlAgSADt1r2ohqYrDVfgpyGdHwZdlzgwEMleOj2M/3krXIOtv5hvIBmmWk5TdB NScjT9sDPulRsGWvZAJzpP+391faXbI7pxuSSDDwBFgA+dVCpPWsq5optq4QJh5apVqaLlEKTduxq UDcmI6gtMBZnI9U3j5v5LQj56Mw5cM6oug8UDT+c8T8Y6hGhLTP7o6TyQ6cfY4314xoBf6JuYq6wl ww5NN0Z4em3DOysGO2tbjS6DFQdfts1HVsMQOUzsMpvG/zBG0ARGQL4lIHSYaxaP/m5PLsKmhWX6z 8MGNQTTEEMlFbQ==; In-Reply-To: <87zfxyavde.fsf@neko.mail-host-address-is-not-set> (message from Tomas Hlavaty on Mon, 25 Dec 2023 21:18:53 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314243 Archived-At: > From: Tomas Hlavaty > Cc: Karl Fogel , stefankangas@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 21:18:53 +0100 > > On Mon 25 Dec 2023 at 18:35, Kévin Le Gouguec wrote: > > Sorry for butting in - no strong intuition re. what the better > > UX/complexity tradeoff is between (a) letting the certificate buffers > > linger after aborting (b) letting users enter recursive edits (TIL > > that's a thing with rmc, neat) (c) adding a command to… do something. > > another option: There should not be modal UI that constrains my options > vi-style. The whole process is sequential so it could display the > information in the same output buffer, and clear the buffer at the > beginning of each step. I think this particular UI was intentionally made modal in the nsm case. > i find it also very frustrating This is Emacs: you can easily code around your personal frustration. Here, we are talking about what the garden-variety users should see.