From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 22:03:29 +0200 Message-ID: <83v87zk57y.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r0iuuacz.fsf@gnu.org> <83frz4mmef.fsf@gnu.org> <83frz3lxg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5pblumn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zfxbk6x0.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40542"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: pertusus@free.fr, jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org To: Gavin Smith Original-X-From: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 11 21:04:04 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rO1HW-000AFb-Ny for gnu-help-texinfo2@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:04:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO1HQ-00022X-Vq; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 15:03:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO1HP-00022E-2s; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 15:03:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO1HN-0004FH-9Z; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 15:03:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HTLbSTHBaJUMlTyQnp/JpeNSjgnpnb/hGQ/soiyYXG0=; b=btdzgS6fvHSp nGCgKNPS758UQlWaejxOVk0jsI8LkY3Vh60ZRgSa+alEZiyBNrQqL3D2UXWK1kehuMerV1T9YW+22 6wOKyxudvFb0l6MdHPp7iaqqDS+ynSXvn4H3QnZ3HeflnxGhWoK858DEdKST9n1jzT+TVseSw9gFM 5COYixhBzECiYzyMIO9kSV/aS7HSlGJ0oCbzijE0IdzyQdHqJRnf6SM69R+JjUjC4lJocc0BKGI/d 09fI3CFDB1IB5IjYL2aBjGM3ufVW8HuSAnpRQMpaW+fCg6Ad2ZQbXvGbjAcEM92RO/GqflAEOeDvO uv+YBgvEbrp7LbtPrGIi7A==; In-Reply-To: (message from Gavin Smith on Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:46:30 +0000) X-BeenThere: help-texinfo@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the Texinfo documentation system List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-texinfo-bounces+gnu-help-texinfo2=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general:3413 gmane.emacs.devel:314874 Archived-At: > From: Gavin Smith > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:46:30 +0000 > Cc: pertusus@free.fr, jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, > stefankangas@gmail.com, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > rms@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org > > > > Although it's not ideal, using cross-reference labels may be the best > > > solution. It would be a temporary solution if the targetted manual > > > obtained an English translation later. Once that is the case, the > > > first manual could be updated with the translated node name, so > > > "*note Choisir Tampon:(emacs)Select Buffer." becomes > > > "*note (emacs)Choisir Tampon::", eliminating the English. > > > > You mean, the Info reader should do that? It would mean that the Info > > reader will need to access all its cross-manual links in a node before > > it can display the node with or without the English node names. > > I meant that the maintainers of the translated document would update it. That'd mean whenever a new translated manual is released, the translators will need to update all the manuals that cross-reference to the newly-released one, and users will then need to update their manuals. Should be possible, of course, but quite a hassle, IMO.