From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `C-b' is backward-char, `left' is left-char - why? Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:01:48 +0300 Message-ID: <83tyc7e6ub.fsf@gnu.org> References: <6F4054004B154CFB8E2753172D316C13@us.oracle.com> <4DE4F8D0.7010800@lanl.gov> <82y61l16bg.fsf@gmail.com> <83boygf7ta.fsf@gnu.org> <82d3ivewr6.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307084756 9523 80.91.229.12 (3 Jun 2011 07:05:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 07:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andy Moreton Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 03 09:05:52 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSOS4-0003rv-D5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 09:05:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45050 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSOS3-000689-5c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42904) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSOOA-0005Ga-Fa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:01:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSOO9-0006tS-4o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:01:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:42298) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSOO8-0006tJ-K3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:01:44 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LM700G00CROS000@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:01:42 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.223.140]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LM700GTECUORI10@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:01:37 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <82d3ivewr6.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140109 Archived-At: > From: Andy Moreton > Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:42:05 +0100 > > What happens if N is large enough to cross into another paragraph with a > different value for current-bidi-paragraph-direction - is the resulting > motion surprising for users ? It doesn't surprise me, if that answers your question. Emacs is about the only application that can invoke keyboard commands with a repetition counter. So there's no "prior art" here for users to expect something different. But if this comes up as an issue at some point, we can always modify left-char and right-char to make their decisions once per move. Although I think the result would surely surprise more, because under the right (or maybe left ;-) circumstances you could then invoke right-char with a non-zero argument, and wind up at the same place where you started!