From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding packages to ELPA Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:30:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83tx43zfep.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87sijqxzr2.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <877g11c8wh.fsf@gmx.us> <83fvfo15z7.fsf@gnu.org> <8361gj20h7.fsf@gnu.org> <83zjdvzmd5.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411147889 6270 80.91.229.3 (19 Sep 2014 17:31:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 19 19:31:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XV21f-0001fC-V2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 19:31:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59628 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV21f-0003fY-JC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:31:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51252) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV21N-0003fB-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:31:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV21I-0007nP-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:53282) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV21I-0007n3-1X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:30:56 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NC500000S1IJE00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:30:26 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NC5002A5SMQ8V00@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:30:26 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.185 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174564 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:34:54 -0400 > > >> - GNU ELPA packages can be released on their own schedule. > > Same is true if they are in the Emacs repository. > > Not really. There are always interferences one way or the other between > Emacs's release cycle and the packages's own release cycles. No, I mean that a package that is part of Emacs can be used to create a separate tarball disregarding the rest of Emacs. After all, once you checkout the repo, they are just file in a certain directory. > >> - we're not seriously affected by bugs in GNU ELPA packages since they > >> can be fixed and released independently. > > This is actually a disadvantage: it contributes to the lower quality > > of their code. > > I feel like we're already stretched pretty thin, so adding more packages > into Emacs's core would probably not improve those packages by much, and > if it does, it'd probably be to the detriment of others. Maybe you are right, but we will not know that unless we try. I bet your feeling of being stretched thin is not based on facts, just on gut feelings. I'm not really sure about that. > >> - the maintainer of `foo' might not like to have to download a 300MB > >> repository to hack on her 300-lines package. > > ELPA is currently 52MB on my disk, which is not negligible (if 300MB > > aren't). Does this mean you will change your mind when ELPA hits > > 100MB? > > Indeed, and that is also a problem. For that reason, more of the newer > packages are added as branches rather than as directories in the main > branch. This mean you don't need the whole repository to hack on them. I have 1.5TB of disk storage on my main development machine. I refuse to believe that these small figures make a difference to someone these days.