From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 4e23cd0 4/5: * mail/rmail.el (rmail-show-message-1): When displaying a mime message, Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:35:40 +0300 Message-ID: <83twwpdztv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <552130FE.1010101@yandex.ru> <83mw2mn2no.fsf@gnu.org> <5521359D.2000509@yandex.ru> <83fv8emvgq.fsf@gnu.org> <55219139.8040507@yandex.ru> <83oan2l4pk.fsf@gnu.org> <5521B811.8070603@yandex.ru> <83d23hlmia.fsf@gnu.org> <20150407165131.GA2600@acm.fritz.box> <552486A4.2020803@yandex.ru> <5525D65C.8090303@yandex.ru> <83fv89g3dl.fsf@gnu.org> <87mw2he0d7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1428597461 2477 80.91.229.3 (9 Apr 2015 16:37:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 16:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 09 18:37:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YgFS6-0002tL-Or for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 18:37:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35641 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgFS5-0003Ge-UJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:37:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40599) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgFS1-0003Db-BC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgFRw-0000YM-P8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:37:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:33401) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgFRw-0000YF-Cn; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:37:04 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NMJ00P00SEH7J00@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:34:10 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NMJ00LG5SOYO840@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:34:10 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87mw2he0d7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185220 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Cc: Dmitry Gutov , > acm@muc.de, > rms@gnu.org, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 01:24:04 +0900 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > [Even without Lisp applications, Emacs] is still a useful text > > editor. With Git, unless you know how to resolve pull/push > > conflicts, you cannot do the simplest thing. And that's the > > difference; I don't understand how you can deny it. > > The only way I can make sense of that comment is that your definition > of "simple" is the activity of highest complexity known to man: > working in large distributed teams, which is the situation that > induces pull/push conflicts. IOW, working in any public project these days. We violently agree. > The simplest thing is to use Git like RCS: git commit, git diff, > lather, rinse, repeat. That'd be a step backward: Emacs switched from RCS to CVS about 25 years ago. > Even Richard and Alan do that without getting > their shorts in a knot. But their workflows are very workspace-and- > mainline-centric; they don't see a need for dealing with branches, let > alone the DAG. They don't want to go beyond the RCS workflow. DVCS > fans do; branches and DAG manipulations are useful tools for many > development activities and workflows, which Richard and Alan evidently > perform rarely if ever. Unfortunately for them most of the developing > world has decided that DVCS and DAGs are good things, and they're > finding themselves more and more isolated, even within the Emacs > community. All true and agreed. I just tried to show how the resulting requirements might get in the way of some people. I think we should understand their POV, rather than blame them for it and despise it.