From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:16:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83twrvjrcz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D29EA6.2020009@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818103921.GA2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D36132.1020900@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818171715.GD2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3869E.30302@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818204211.GF2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3A641.7040409@cs.ucla.edu> <87bne4fc7s.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87bne3wzzg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439993835 1419 80.91.229.3 (19 Aug 2015 14:17:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 19 16:17:00 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4Al-00060O-BT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:16:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48203 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4Af-00057M-Aj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:16:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43439) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4AX-00051V-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:16:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4AR-000554-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:16:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:48618) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZS4AR-00054J-Cy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:16:39 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NTC00E001TBJC00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:08:32 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NTC002YZ1Y8OPB0@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:08:32 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87bne3wzzg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188950 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:31:47 +0900 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > until a few years ago solid multilingual Unicode environments > weren't really available (and still aren't on Windows, if I > understand Eli's descriptions correctly) Not quite. Solid multilingual environments do exist on Windows, just not for console (i.e. text-mode) programs. GUI programs on MS-Windows have any number of facilities for presenting fully functional multilingual environments, and Emacs uses these facilities to a large degree, both for keyboard input and for display. > Emacs is the perfect environment to experiment with *discoverable* > *multilingual* input methods. AFAIK, they don't exist yet, > *anywhere*. Apple is going backwards, even. Microsoft doesn't have > them, either. If you are implying that input methods don't exist on Windows, then this is false: they do. FWIW, I don't understand and don't share people's gripes about input methods in Emacs. I use them quite a lot, and actually prefer them to whatever keyboards I have installed on my systems: the Emacs input methods are easier to learn and modify, work the same on any system, and there's an easy way of showing which key does what.