From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 18:20:43 +0200 Message-ID: <83twovm9es.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ziyuaqhl.fsf@petton.fr> <87fv0labbf.fsf@web.de> <87y4eda0kl.fsf@petton.fr> <22074.42230.156669.584780@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <87ziyoxvdp.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83k2psnzyh.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvuorz7n.fsf@gmail.com> <8337wfon3f.fsf@gnu.org> <56401834.8080402@yandex.ru> <83ziynma4s.fsf@gnu.org> <5640C6A0.5010709@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447086084 22181 80.91.229.3 (9 Nov 2015 16:21:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: aaronecay@gmail.com, Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 09 17:21:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvpBu-00013p-GF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:21:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53797 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvpBt-0008Iq-Kp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 11:21:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41324) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvpBZ-0008Gm-P5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 11:20:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvpBV-000353-Nx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 11:20:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:56660) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvpBV-00034z-CM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 11:20:45 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NXK00F002KG8600@mtaout29.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 18:20:04 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NXK009HD2PFR850@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 18:20:04 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <5640C6A0.5010709@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.185 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193722 Archived-At: > Cc: aaronecay@gmail.com, Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 18:15:28 +0200 > > On 11/09/2015 06:05 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Nothing prevents us from making the same arrangements in the Emacs > > repository as we have in ELPA, and then users could add the Emacs > > repository to their list of sites that package.el knows about. > > Create yet another package archive? With a separate publishing mechanism? Why not? There are several already, no? > > Besides, most core packages don't need any elaborate setup, you just > > drop them in and restart Emacs. > > "Just drop them in" doesn't address the issue of package updates, not in > the slightest. It does, for most of the core. That's what you do each time you say "git pull", I believe. > >> There were different suggestions, with different degrees between "let's > >> move Org and Gnus out" and "let's move everything out". > > > > I didn't see any. > > All right, then. Let me make one right now: let's move out Org, Gnus and > CEDET. And consider doing that with any other big codebase that's also > maintained separately (Calc comes to mind). > > There have been objections to doing that for each of these packages, but > there you go. Suggestion made. It was made before -- that's the "let's move Org and Gnus out" variant, to which I said I could easily agree. And then there was the "move everything" one, to which I object for the reasons stated. What I meant was that there was no 3rd variant, AFAIR.