From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we restore manually maintained ChangeLogs Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:01:24 +0200 Message-ID: <83twkfo7ij.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87vb4zb0i4.fsf@gnu.org> <837fheuu6a.fsf@gnu.org> <83twkiteb3.fsf@gnu.org> <83lh5utbxb.fsf@gnu.org> <56DDD02A.20809@cs.ucla.edu> <83fuw2t2ue.fsf@gnu.org> <56DE0F6A.6010207@cs.ucla.edu> <83pov5rmt6.fsf@gnu.org> <56DFD78F.40205@cs.ucla.edu> <56E06093.7050509@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457546490 20098 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 18:01:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 18:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 09 19:01:25 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adiQE-0005uv-0t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:01:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43239 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adiQD-0003Yx-Gd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:01:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45714) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adiQ9-0003Wq-2F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:01:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adiQ5-0007OG-RV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:01:17 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43133) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adiQ5-0007OC-Ov; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:01:13 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3977 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1adiQ5-0000zM-18; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:01:13 -0500 In-reply-to: <56E06093.7050509@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:42:43 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201265 Archived-At: > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:42:43 -0800 > > As time goes on I expect more developers will gravitate to the new > system where if you want to look at the change logs you run 'git > log' or type 'C-x v l' or whatever floats your boat. Which will bring them the same text with mistakes and omissions that we see now. E.g., I see someone's contribution without the paperwork-exempt tag -- how do I know if that person has an assignment, and I'm just missing it somehow, or she doesn't and I;m looking at someone's omission? Same with other blunders. Who needs a history record one cannot trust? It's worse than having no record at all.