From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Flymake support for C/C++ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:00:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83tvz2i2fv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zi8wmmhw.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1507968110 1925 195.159.176.226 (14 Oct 2017 08:01:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 08:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, kerolasa@iki.fi, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, acm@muc.de, sdl.web@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Reuben Thomas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 14 10:01:44 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e3HNw-0006C7-7a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 10:01:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53123 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3HO3-0006Jn-JY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 04:01:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33301) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3HNu-0006Ix-5F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 04:01:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3HNt-0001pY-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 04:01:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41799) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e3HNK-00016Q-Eu; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 04:00:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3278 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1e3HND-0001Ci-18; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 04:00:43 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Reuben Thomas on Sat, 14 Oct 2017 08:10:44 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:219485 Archived-At: > From: Reuben Thomas > Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 08:10:44 +0100 > Cc: João Távora , > Sami Kerola , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Alan Mackenzie , > Eli Zaretskii , Noam Postavsky , sdl.web@gmail.com, > Stefan Monnier > > These days, it seems much better to use Flycheck than Flymake (that's certainly what I do). See > https://github.com/flycheck/flycheck > > It would be a pity for Flymake to become yet another part of Emacs that developers spend time updating and > users largely ignore; better to spin it off into ELPA, and if people still want to work on it there, fine. Meanwhile, > why not use Flycheck by default (in the same way as we've "in-sourced" Org and other packages)? I don't understand: Flycheck is an external package; why should we prefer it to Flymake, assuming that the latter will become supported well by the built-in major modes? IOW, what I see here is a serious effort to make Flymake a sophisticated and flexible syntax-checking tool bundled with Emacs. I don't see why should we object to such an effort, when one of our major goals is to provide a modern program development environment. If this effort is successful, I presume that users will not ignore Flymake.