From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improved welcome screen Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:36:50 +0300 Message-ID: <83tv142k1p.fsf@gnu.org> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> <875zdv9jf3.fsf@yahoo.com> <7AE22CF7-3A15-4F99-976F-970EF0C2F40F@traduction-libre.org> <83d07s4vtw.fsf@gnu.org> <89828f8d-e48e-2bfd-869a-2d1d8cb5bfe9@yandex.ru> <835zdk4tcx.fsf@gnu.org> <329b4fd6-b0f9-6877-23b3-dca7c1e5968b@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="73647"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 28 08:42:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTJwQ-000J1c-01 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:42:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43564 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTJwN-0007xw-FN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 02:42:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36732) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTJrn-0002mR-T1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 02:40:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52551) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTJrk-00036i-TQ; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 02:37:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4772 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jTJrk-0004yB-8j; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 02:37:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <329b4fd6-b0f9-6877-23b3-dca7c1e5968b@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 00:29:17 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248000 Archived-At: > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 00:29:17 +0300 > > > "Open a File", "Open Home Directory", "Customize Startup". > > Two things. > > First: the first two items duplicate the toolbar items, so they're > pretty unnecessary. Some of the links Stefan did keep are also such duplicates. Any reason for treating them differently? > I think we better make the start screen better (like other editors do), > so the users won't hurry to hide it right away. But keep the user > option, of course. > > > And if there are auto-save files, we currently show a hint to type > > "M-x recover-session RET". Is that also gone? > > I don't know, but we could keep it. > > Second thing: I think Stefan's work is a modification of the "About" > buffer. Whereas you are talking about the startup screen. They are close > enough to mistake one for another, but still different. For some reason. The Subject says "welcome screen", and you yourself use "startup screen". So I thought this is what we were talking about. If you ask me, the About display is much less important than the startup/welcome/splash screen. I very much doubt newbies look at the About display; they almost always look at the startup screen at least once.