From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 16:07:27 +0300 Message-ID: <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o8ls1vvq.fsf@posteo.net> <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3413"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, eduardoochs@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 01 15:08:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNyJo-0000kW-CV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 15:08:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41892 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNyJn-0003hj-80 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 09:08:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43902) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNyJB-0002tx-F5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 09:07:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54262) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNyJA-0005uY-Qp; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 09:07:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4054 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kNyJ2-0005vn-W3; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 09:07:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:13:20 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256837 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, eduardoochs@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:13:20 -0400 > > > https://hewgill.com/dict/ > > Unfortunately, it is a "site", meaning a server you have to contact > over the internet. > > The tendency to involve other people's computers in doing jobs that > you could do on your own computer is a fundamental wrong turning in > computing practice. 'dict' is an example of this problem. > > We need to lead people away from that paradigm, not adapt our > activities to fit into it. I understand the general issue with using services, but in this case the server just sends the description of a word taken from a dictionary. Aren't we a tad too radical, perhaps even extreme, in this case? It's not like the server calculates something that could be subverted by a server we don't control. What harm could be done by looking up a word? And how is it different from the command we have that queries an Internet search engine (M-s M-w)? Or from asking an SMTP server to send an email message?