From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:25:18 +0200 Message-ID: <83tuqa7m3l.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83o8gj9a8o.fsf@gnu.org> <871rdfvq86.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7mb98g8.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8gjuaez.fsf@gnus.org> <83ft1v97bk.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn7u7wq.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2r94zw.fsf@gnu.org> <831rdf91r1.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft1vsmf5.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23117"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 16:26:37 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lCOiq-0005uD-Oa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 16:26:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45772 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCOip-0008J8-R5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 10:26:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43058) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCOhW-0006zc-Ia for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 10:25:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48460) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCOhV-0002zC-OX; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 10:25:13 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3084 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lCOhR-0001bi-VW; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 10:25:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:47:20 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265004 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:47:20 +0000 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, > Stefan Kangas , dgutov@yandex.ru > From: Alan Mackenzie > > That won't cut it. That verges on being untruthful. This isn't an > ordinary change, it's a particularly fundamental change in Emacs's > structures. Done by you acting alone. > > And "We"? Who is "we" here? Normally, large changes are made by > consensus. For this change there is no consensus. The fact is, the > effect of this change could have been had without the questionable major > changes you're imposing on Emacs. Let's not get too personal here, okay? No matter how serious are technical disagreements, there's no reason to suspect Lars of even a shadow of ill will or intent to subvert the Emacs project. > What sort of project is Emacs to be? Up till now, as I say, it has > worked by consensus and respect. Do you want these qualities to be > continued from this point on? I hope so. And this line will not lead to any useful discussions, so I suggest that we drop it.