From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 20:48:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83tu4myv3r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <83zgeeyvxr.fsf@gnu.org> <87tu4m9ldy.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3077"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rlb@defaultvalue.org, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 19:49:38 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1of35u-0000bf-OD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:49:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36306 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of35t-0005nf-RJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:49:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of35O-00057B-8k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:49:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59380) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of35N-0000Ay-Of; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:49:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1Inb2rZl1gx7qB8+Bl82xJpkJpHqGXKGEA39Yl5ngqU=; b=lP+HNcD/H2Wc qH2uYA4icflsvmShczzJDtGESNMWI79hvbDsT3fZbEUXLiy4qe5t57GcyQfVba6a9HNn05DGW3xKu OjUyC5nyCGrvQ7lvWvBMChtDqZ0NnGXYuHS1Hk89vxeP32X3TfOW6//RfCDxZ0zM0EuOHxJTTSdri KQaMa9AzlOCvRtO67DI2yTbk1Xgsl8NpLHNqcspZ3do2g/4Z0+GGJ6DfYDxHxq3Io3EwrL9ksieRx JnesnwQirmGUnpXvH0dG09rYtPrR4NQgesPh8GfM+svT6gOfYGFqR9jNsIUaRvXOmILrg2+gWsnuD gSlVcV1/WsiqMD6sqHffHg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1593 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of35M-0001yc-RC; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:49:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87tu4m9ldy.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:38:01 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296663 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rlb@defaultvalue.org, david@tethera.net, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org > Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:38:01 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > So there's a net win in having it enabled at all times. > > You may think so, and I may think so, but it should be up to the user > (and the distribution). If they present their case clearly, we might change our minds. If they don't present the case clearly, I don't see how we can provide a solution, because disabling JIT compilation is already possible. So someone should explain why what is there is not good enough, and that requires details. > > In any case, we already have a way of switching off JIT compilation, > > at least for some situations which we considered. > > I thought there wasn't a user option to switch it off? There are several, actually, each one doing something slightly different and disabling native compilation on a different level. That's why I'm asking for details: we need to understand whether something is missing and why. For example, "disable native compilation" may or may not be the same as "disable writing *.eln files".