From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2023 05:27:30 +0300 Message-ID: <83ttsa65bh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835y4ucrz3.fsf@gnu.org> <831qficgin.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttsehwab.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87fs3x6ge7.fsf@gmail.com> <87v8cthmzl.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5u56atj.fsf@gmail.com> <87r0nhhgb5.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87y1hp3pjm.fsf@gmail.com> <9b605d5a-3186-4764-b43d-854a68d04d0e@app.fastmail.com> <87jzt745uo.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkej6xmc.fsf@gnu.org> <33937d90-66f1-4fb0-9c96-03b713bbb93a@app.fastmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40069"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, acm@muc.de, danny@dfreeman.email, dmitry@gutov.dev, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Bozhidar Batsov" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 04 04:28:42 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qczKT-000AFC-Qy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2023 04:28:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qczJn-0008Cn-0B; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 22:27:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qczJm-0008Cf-2v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 22:27:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qczJl-0006FS-2F; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 22:27:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=ZDCzdyOZbMLeQ8m11ageYGbXCgbLOzrpgZvzWXvPF6g=; b=il0TJAvjP4FIhI2dJNlg kyrM8U7sdG/oVfoOHnyhG4kKtCAhcVQjeVdNh9K9zggohOXg5/O70m7RO9Oob6HCYnq4f1/1O9WEk 5CYFw/rPlLgTU8d97gTw4A9r67Fnn++TmHLOpsf2Vg1ogJTJiWbkQKCAsQc/LcF7yB2zDX0NlfCJp aIGE1DdRbkR+kq6Gya2eFCfYNs7mHffNPotZSRhlV+z8XFkyvEL30qh6xJOiCchVMOZrzhGtbNwN/ BnsWj8Wvz1fNscjb47LKHjA7/o4hhkyCO+WAAnKcnCdBYKjf1Lc9+ExA1LRgkvEF7mxvIcBWsZwdI pEedV/WxHvytAA==; In-Reply-To: <33937d90-66f1-4fb0-9c96-03b713bbb93a@app.fastmail.com> (bozhidar@batsov.dev) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310047 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 22:45:36 +0200 > From: "Bozhidar Batsov" > Cc: João Távora , > "Alan Mackenzie" , "Danny Freeman" , > "Dmitry Gutov" , "Richard Stallman" , > "Emacs Devel" > > And even if his behavior were problematic, calling your opponent a > "jerk" is far from being kind. Discussions are a two-way street, and > if you are opposed to unkind words, you should try very hard not to > use them yourself. > > I take matters of comm etiquette quite seriously, but when someone starts to take personal swipes > at me that's where I draw the line. Hostile behavior should not go unnoticed and I think you, as one of > the leaders of the project should try to ensure we have a non-hostile environment. Hostile behavior should not go unnoticed, but the response should not be hostile, otherwise we lose the moral argument of calling the others not to be hostile. > emacs-devel is > kind of infamous for the harsh language that's tolerated here and if we want to have a bit more > inclusive community some efforts should be invested in curbing hostilities. Harsh language is not tolerated here, it's a myth. > It's really hard to have a meaningful conversation when someone is making weird (and wrong) claims > about me, my motives and so on. Yes, it could be hard at times. But still, the responses should not be hostile, even when you protest the perceived hostility of the other parties.