From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 09:50:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83ttqdho6n.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkcpo2cm.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebqki4c.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35243"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 26 08:51:27 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvuDH-00090N-GP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 08:51:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvuCk-0005sR-3J; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 02:50:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvuCi-0005sI-Tn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 02:50:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvuCi-0000z5-LE; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 02:50:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=BQxRA4DpbvQyeUE8Edl2Z6OC1ReRL8LxHYASerlcxfk=; b=PpnZuawVNNvU xKXmE+VzdXc7IaB8SrJZ6FtHvMbJvBU5IBs3Frz1R8an1g1tuA+uYGvro/XfJCIA78ZRyRdaHdnIN VsVOBQU9K/tncgHON+w5jH+FMVr1OR4XyzQ1HujuRrPhtdxex7fg0CIJA8/ZaWUC9nC2THTHPEJw1 GgZbtEwJEvxv6/+iHfcZ6Yi8VTSeOYp+sZpCn5euwQMtwBi13cG6OpHuogjqGye5Sgh4Vmxz8kweS WnsZsnJsabsIJT7XlFVa/1Y3JmfwD64Uo3WIzt1jk7vbA6JWSHXkiAn779vrCjbcxNkdFXpJZMDkk q6OZx4ORTNAIBYuuq2YQrg==; In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 25 Oct 2023 22:27:34 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311886 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 22:27:34 -0400 > > > > Can this load cl-print.el instead of cl-lib.el? Would that do the job? > > > No. If you look at cl-print.el, you will immediately see why: it uses > > cl-incf and cl-find-class. > > Thanks for telling me about the problem at that next stage. > If I had tried that change I would have see why it did not work, > but I had only got as far as asking you. There's no need to try. I didn't try, I just typed "C-x cl- C-s C-s..." and looked at the hits, invoking "C-h f" where I didn't recognize the symbol from memory.