From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 22:37:19 +0200 Message-ID: <83ttpsuiv4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <87il6bt4z0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8734xetjkk.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywhsrcf.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywgx1z0.fsf@web.de> <83wmuowwp3.fsf@gnu.org> <8334xcwank.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20726"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, michael_heerdegen@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 11 21:38:31 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1ukP-00058A-Le for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 21:38:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1ujZ-0001Ug-FT; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:37:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1ujX-0001UR-35 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:37:35 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1ujW-00024n-Pj; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:37:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=sWRW7VlQawPUYpFUZGcdP2W8reZOpbxZMEnoFEb+RFw=; b=HovWI7VekiA9zdkS3JXt 8JcVaU9Jpns4NBxsA11j3lH+Gq7o10w7th/DuNy+FP9Far9k0RindzL2d3iZ4+mA94aX/SFYQMQpG lcpLebjko9XW8BZBhDlVpqiqK3Y/H1ms0W5oE13Q/cBOozsvxtC5eJ64g9p6CoeDi2yCOkwP5NbNc m+R3sgclBOprRWPQWok0yufrSBZWAQStUDYkAnF09C4kih3DTMIFn48/1NT9w4L+xf/6q+IopKfXI Vnu08lBTO9H+ehyH7c0laF/NYOcCpAGgXU2JXbQlhTO5Dx2jUtRIz4vvYcmEKGRcDVMXdZva0H5Zl VeqCtkylrVsEjQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6llmann?= on Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:07:59 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312606 Archived-At: > From: Gerd Möllmann > Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, michael_heerdegen@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:07:59 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > It isn't like we as a project never made any mistakes, but there's no > > reason to assume this decision is one of them until we have ample > > evidence. > > Seq is 10 years in Emacs It is preloaded only since a little more than a year ago. > its polymorphism is unused in the tree. Searching for seq-* in the tree brings more than 590 hits in more than 170 Lisp files. > Joao showed that it's slow. No, he didn't. > Dmitry mentioned that it is not a full replacement for what is in > cl-lib. Indeed, it is not a full replacement, and was never meant to be. I believe its name says that much. > Po Lu mentioned the poor doc strings. That can be said about a lot of functions in Emacs, unfortunately. Including cl-lib, btw. Which doesn't preclude us from using any of those poorly-documented functions.