From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Instead of pcase Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:16:55 +0200 Message-ID: <83ttpko9qg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fs15d0uv.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83edgppki9.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyw9cpj9.fsf@dataswamp.org> <834jhkq1jp.fsf@gnu.org> <871qcodcmt.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30455"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 17 13:18:03 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r3xnL-0007fJ-Ny for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:17:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3xmb-00042e-Ro; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 07:17:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3xmZ-00042C-FN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 07:17:11 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3xmS-00013o-69; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 07:17:09 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=E+wPqjId0+oKBwKrzVr/R25SmobhFNiw06GP0crME/8=; b=kuEd4j5pPyjE qWIYYn9kzBV9wpYkbdzsUdpUBNImdMaNvkJI4V47dRNpNABaJOaJNi7GfcMhwoZcE/2USXJWrIydf 4dDMrDMnpYnIQk8JBN6m7LGBpzEJgGFEvRaJtTvLzBTKvkGIVbX/KWXhTlhwfk+Fg/h07xqW51TuA i2GPxIpHAueWsV6ZjxcVluLTcm4TDE9hjTIHT/EZzCAaN9A6kjd04IM9eYOSfYl1QNpFQ1gDhoTot sy17wZplrQTcx3fnN175rmkVq4bIiwgRTsQYOQ4xIXzqkwb2xo4Nc+Kg7tJocjj0dTxnJZtN6trJ0 jTypoy7GbzN7sj74IihH4w==; In-Reply-To: <871qcodcmt.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:09:46 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312866 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:09:46 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> But if that is what you are hoping for, why don't we > >> revisit this discussion if and when that happens? > > > > The only thing I'm hoping for is for Emacs to get better and > > continue its development. If that is wrong, maybe you want > > to step up and replace me as Emacs maintainer? > > Pro hint: Don't start this kind of campaigns against libraries > your own software is relying on, only for vague reasons of > style and complexity, and with no alternative in sight. Reality check: I didn't start this thread. My personal contributions to it are quite modest: mainly correcting inaccuracies and mistakes in messages posted to others, so as to avoid tricking people into incorrect conclusions due to these inaccuracies. > No one is going to react positively to that and it won't help Emacs > development, as it only creates bad blood in the community for no > reason. If you are actually reading the messages in this thread, you will realize that your assertions are false. Some people here actually agree that pcase presents a difficulty (others disagree), and I spotted no bad blood here from people who voiced their opinions. So I think you see problems where there are none.