From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:24:40 +0300 Message-ID: <83sj38j15z.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20130401203140.171a6d45@anarchist> <515A9D39.1030702@taydin.org> <87r4itys91.fsf@mithlond.arda> <831uaskhvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjxgyig3.fsf@mithlond.arda> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364923464 28919 80.91.229.3 (2 Apr 2013 17:24:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ta@taydin.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Teemu Likonen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 02 19:24:52 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UN4wx-0005CB-Mb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:24:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45654 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN4wZ-0002LW-0o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:24:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53109) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN4wS-00029H-1A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:24:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN4wM-0007CC-AL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:24:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:59030) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN4wM-000791-1l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:24:10 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MKN004001K7X700@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:24:08 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MKN004QO1O77ZD0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:24:08 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87zjxgyig3.fsf@mithlond.arda> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158554 Archived-At: > From: Teemu Likonen > Cc: ta@taydin.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:02:20 +0300 > > Eli Zaretskii [2013-04-02 19:38:26 +0300] wrote: > > > From: Teemu Likonen > >> I think Git is liked so much because it gives a lot of power to user. > >> There was this time when the "Git opposition" had some/many > >> philosophical reason why a DVCS software shouldn't allow user do > >> various things. From certain point of view they can be right but > >> users chose Git anyway because it has the functionality that they > >> want. > > > > If it were that simple, Emacs would have been much more popular editor > > than it is now. Yet, somehow that didn't quite happen. Perhaps "a lot > > of power" is not the single most important reason, after all. > > Yes, and the other in my message was "the functionality that they > [users] want." Meaning features that matter. So you are saying Emacs doesn't have "the functionality that they [users] want"? > In his retrospective Velmer Vernooij said: > > We lost sight of what mattered for our users, focusing on features > that were nice but perhaps not as necessary as we thought. We > overengineered. We didn't get rid of the crufty unnecessary > features. It's harder to comprehend, contribute to or fix > performance issues in a large layered codebase. And the larger a > codebase becomes, the larger the surface for bugs, the harder it is > to refactor. > > http://stationary-traveller.eu/pages/bzr-a-retrospective.html I don't think Velmer was talking about git.