From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 05:45:50 +0200 Message-ID: <83sir1tg9d.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y50z90pd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87txbn8r6x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8338j717oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjlf6tdx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83sir7yue7.fsf@gnu.org> <8761o3dlak.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87vbvzcjv9.fsf@engster.org> <87iorz18fy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vbvyv08q.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhwuyycb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bnxquius.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393731988 10145 80.91.229.3 (2 Mar 2014 03:46:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 03:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 02 04:46:33 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WJxMG-00019c-FX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 04:46:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34342 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJxMF-0000Hu-WC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 22:46:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45193) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJxM7-0000HZ-6d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 22:46:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJxM1-0007Zz-BC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 22:46:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:35654) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJxLu-0007ZJ-Vi; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 22:46:11 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N1S00B00GVIDK00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 05:46:09 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N1S00B5NIGW4KA0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 05:46:09 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170039 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:28:53 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > It cannot be Emacs's task to provide selling points for GCC, exactly > as GCC doesn't provide selling points for Emacs. > > It is not unusual to use one GNU package to motivate people > to work on another GNU package. We should do it more often, > remembering that these packages aim for a larger goal. I agree with what you say, but that wasn't my point at all, as should be clear from reading what I wrote in its entirety. > No project can be requested to be that altruistic. > > That concept is not applicable because it presumes a project > that exists narrowly for its own success. > > GNU Emacs and GCC are part of a larger project, the GNU operating > system, and the GNU operating system has an overarching ethical > purpose: to establish freedom for computer users. Our policy must be > based on that purpose; it would be irrational neglect to do otherwise. No disagreement here, but again, you removed all context from what I wrote, which makes the quote sound very different from its original meaning. Fortunately, the original text should talk for itself.