From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Automate Emacs UI testing? (was: Move to a cadence release model?) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:02:43 +0200 Message-ID: <83si4dlol8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <831tbxn5id.fsf@gnu.org> <87oaf1bvsb.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447178612 6757 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2015 18:03:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 10 19:03:23 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDFy-0005Ge-OR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:02:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34661 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDFy-0003I3-Gm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:02:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58252) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDFq-0003A9-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:02:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDFm-00077y-63 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:02:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:49158) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDFl-00077D-UV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:02:46 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NXM00K001PTIN00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:02:41 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NXM00KY824HEI60@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:02:41 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193901 Archived-At: > From: John Wiegley > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:44:11 -0800 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > >>>>> =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: >=20 > > As Emacs has no strong test suite (automatic testing of UI is har= d, so no > > cure for this on sight) neither has many resources for steady man= ual testing > > and bug-fixing, I'm afraid that switching to the cadence model wo= uld > > deteriorate the quality of releases. >=20 > Web developers have some pretty awesome tools for driving a UI and = observing > the resulting behavior. I wonder what it would take to have a frame= work like > that for Emacs... UI is only one issue. The more important issue, IMO, is poor coverag= e of the test suite in general. Many packages and primitives have no tests at all.