From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making --with-wide-int the default Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 18:38:59 +0200 Message-ID: <83si45c318.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83oag087gs.fsf@gnu.org> <83oafz70im.fsf@gnu.org> <5620AF43.4050401@cs.ucla.edu> <83k2qn6xfm.fsf@gnu.org> <5620B4FA.1000804@cs.ucla.edu> <83wptojs1r.fsf@gnu.org> <56444C66.8050506@gmx.at> <83r3jugx8g.fsf@gnu.org> <87io56nu0a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lha1dl87.fsf@gnu.org> <22087.29085.814201.779385@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <83h9knc96e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh9zkmwc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bnavc6qh.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1valxd7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447713444 32222 80.91.229.3 (16 Nov 2015 22:37:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 16 23:37:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZySOh-0004DZ-T2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 23:37:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51063 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZySOh-0004Kd-Cy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:37:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44589) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZyMoA-0005k2-KP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:39:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZyMo9-00042C-Kn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:39:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:39660) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZyMo5-00041X-FV; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:39:05 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NXX00I001U71C00@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 18:32:03 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NXX006HC1XF3CA0@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 18:32:03 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87d1valxd7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194575 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Cc: ulm@gentoo.org, rudalics@gmx.at, jwiegley@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 23:19:00 +0100 > > > How is this related to what I wrote, may I ask? Ulrich never > > mentioned these factors, and I replied to what he wrote. > > So? You attack Ulrich because he did not sufficiently stress the > advantages: If Ulrich feels attacked, I apologize: I never meant anything even close. He said he had another data point related to this decision, so I thought it was fair to ask the questions that I asked about that data point. > and more or less state that apparently the only reason for nobody > complaining about that setting is that he has omitted to properly > describe the option's advantages, not because there would be any actual > justification for the chosen default. That's not what I said. What I actually said was this: > Fair enough, but then we must agree that the lack of complaints > probably says nothing at all about your users' preferences in this > matter. IOW, "the data doesn't support any conclusions". No accusations, no attack, nothing of the kind. > At the same time you are > completely unworried about the _disadvantages_ (which affect every user > editing any file, not just the ones loading files larger than 512MByte > into memory) not getting mentioned at all. IMO, the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages. In your opinion, it's the other way around. Nothing wrong here, and no reasons to imply that my opinions are somehow inferior to yours. they are just different. > What's wrong with an actual qualified choice based on knowledge of both > advantages and disadvantages? Nothing. But when you reply to what I wrote, I'd appreciate that you actually reply to the quoted parts, or else don't quote me at all. > > Once again, how is that relevant to what I wrote in my message to > > Ulrich? > > Because you are only interested in having the advantages of wide ints > listed. ??? I think now you owe me an apology. > Others are reading this exchange, so there is a chance that it > contributes to forming opinions and eventually may help with making > and explaining decisions. Indeed.