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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, johnw@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages'
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 17:50:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83si0or96s.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y4ag3l7s.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Artur Malabarba on Fri,  19 Feb 2016 11:04:23 -0200)

> From: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
> Cc: Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm>,  johnw@gnu.org,  angelo.graziosi@alice.it,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 11:04:23 -0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Is package--save-selected-packages called every time package.el is
> > invoked, even if the user doesn't change the list of the selected
> > packages?
> 
> No. But it is called every time the list changes (either by installing
> or deleting a package).
> 
> > Otherwise, the user could install a package, edit their .emacs to
> > convert the custom-set-variables forms into setq, [...] like
> > they have to do with any other customization that is system-dependent.
> >
> > Will this solve the issue?
> 
> No, because package.el will still call `package--save-selected-packages'
> even though the variable has been set via `setq'. This will keep
> modifying the custom file, and the behaviour will depend on whether when
> the variable's value has been most recently set from the `setq' or from
> Custom.

Then I guess this is the problem we need to solve, right?  Customizing
the list of packages via Lisp that doesn't use custom-set-variables
ought to prevent Emacs from modifying the custom file.

> Meanwhile, with regular customizations, the user can just turn the
> `custom-set-variables' call into a `setq' and trust that Emacs won't
> reintroduce that variable there.

Now I'm confused: above you said "No" to my suggestion to do exactly
this, but now you seem to say that suggestion would solve the problem?
What did I miss?



  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-19 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-17  9:27 Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages' Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-17 23:05 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-18  1:04   ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-18  1:43   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 16:49     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 17:28       ` Colin Baxter
2016-02-18 17:35         ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-18 18:06       ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 18:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 20:34           ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-18 21:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 21:49               ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-19  9:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19  9:47                   ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-19 13:04                   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-19 15:50                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-02-19 18:29                       ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-19 18:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 19:05                           ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-19 20:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 23:56                               ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-22  0:10                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-22  3:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 21:00                                   ` Bastian Beischer
2016-02-19  4:18           ` alex
2016-02-19  9:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 21:15               ` alex
2016-02-20  7:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 18:25       ` Mechanisms to persist information (Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages') Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-18 18:54         ` Mechanisms to persist information Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 19:22           ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2016-02-20  2:17         ` Mechanisms to persist information (Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages') John Wiegley
2016-02-20  4:44           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-02-18 18:45       ` Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages' John Wiegley
2016-02-19  4:17       ` alex
     [not found]       ` <vYxebPyde_BnqKsA6mXLVX-_dj3rDIchNBYl3O1LxNhGCR7etgi0R4ZR7de5PU1TZXk9R4YsCjNxqkoh5lBR3Q==@protonmail.com>
2016-02-19  9:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 22:55           ` alex
2016-02-20  8:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-05  0:40               ` alex
2016-02-18 16:19   ` raman
2016-02-18 18:55     ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-18 19:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-02-17  3:39 Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages'? alex
2016-02-17  4:10 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-17 10:02   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 16:52     ` Aaron Ecay
2016-02-17 12:43   ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-17 10:14 ` Colin Baxter

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