From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 20:37:43 +0300 Message-ID: <83sggfmwig.fsf@gnu.org> References: <831ro2tqqx.fsf@gnu.org> <4a1fd3f4-df92-c756-9874-4d07b54148ac@yandex.ru> <3bd09dca-dcdc-7569-e5fb-f6b53397af9d@yandex.ru> <83pnbjokdt.fsf@gnu.org> <2b9f91bb-e233-e24b-27d3-384dd66c4e8d@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="118990"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: yandros@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, joaotavora@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 04 19:38:47 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVf3H-000Up7-Nu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 19:38:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53908 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVf3G-0002RW-QE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 13:38:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58142) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVf2T-0001ak-4X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 13:37:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36273) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVf2S-0003Qa-RG; Mon, 04 May 2020 13:37:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4718 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVf2J-0007r5-N8; Mon, 04 May 2020 13:37:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2b9f91bb-e233-e24b-27d3-384dd66c4e8d@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Mon, 4 May 2020 20:23:59 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248881 Archived-At: > Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 20:23:59 +0300 > > On 04.05.2020 17:16, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > IMNSHO, it's inaccurate, and even somewhat unfair, to claim that Emacs > > doesn't adapt. Just read through the latest NEWS file, and you will > > see hundreds of new features and quite a few significant new > > technologies that we acquired just recently. > > It adds features where there were none, sure. > > But changing something that exists, especially when it had existed for a > while, is a long, arduous journey with rare chance of success, IME. It's longer, but not by a long shot. A recent example: the :extend face attribute. > Emacs has survived for decades, sure, but that's because it's based on > some fundamentally good ideas, and that it managed (probably as a > consequence) to attract a few very smart people along the way that keep > it running. That too, but it isn't enough.