From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:32:03 +0300 Message-ID: <83sgbh7py4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87v9ge3tet.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13925"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: self@gkayaalp.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 16:42:42 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIYdu-0003WQ-GK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:42:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50608 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIYdt-00023B-Gc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:42:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43012) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIYTW-0003hQ-Ah for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:31:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41219) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIYTU-0005IG-SQ; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:31:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1807 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kIYTS-0002zE-FT; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:31:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: (ams@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255880 Archived-At: > From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:17:08 -0400 > Cc: akrl@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > On 2020-09-16 10:36 +03, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > The word modern has a negative meaning in that it implies that the > > rest of Emacs isn't modern -- why would users ever want to switch of > > "modern-mode" and use the un-modern Emacs? > > IMHO reading too much into names is not productive. ‘Modern’ is a term > that’s used fairly often in this context, and what to expect would be > obvious to those who would want to use such a mode: features common to > contemporary text editors. > > Names mean things and in this discussion it was because Emacs was seen > as old (i.e., un-modern), a new user would be curious why modern-mode > isn't the default. And as the discussion has showed, there is no > agreement what people think is modern. So it would be simply better > to avoid the term "modern" completely. Yes, let's find a different name for this. I'd object to calling it "modern", because I disagree that vanilla Emacs isn't. newcomer-friendly-mode? new-to-emacs-mode? numacs-mode?