From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: decision on moving core packages to ELPA; also move to obsolete? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 20:28:12 +0200 Message-ID: <83sg86apqb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86a6ugnopl.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83im94b17m.fsf@gnu.org> <834kknatxs.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39788"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, daniele@grinta.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 19:37:25 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpFCO-000AIA-RD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 19:37:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57056 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpFCN-00064M-Sb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:37:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40874) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpF3d-0006DG-PV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:28:21 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpF3b-0005i4-NO; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:28:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1511 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kpF3a-0004Lb-FE; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:28:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:03:57 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260897 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Daniele Nicolodi , stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:03:57 -0500 > > >> Org is distributed as part of Emacs but it is routinely also > >> installed and updated from ELPA and AFAIK it does not implement any > >> special trick to make this work smotly. > > The idea is that users should be able to install, upgrade, and > > downgrade such packages exactly like they do with unbundled ones. > > I still don't see what's the problem. > > With current Emacs, users can upgrade/downgrade their version of Org, > python.el (etc...) via `list-packages`. Clearly the same would apply to > bundled ELPA packages. Doesn't package.el install stuff under ~/.emacs.d/elpa/ ? If so, what happens with installed Lisp files under /usr/share/ ?