From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Current mode command discovery Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:06:28 +0200 Message-ID: <83sg5w7xij.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87v9aubm96.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6s6bkrg.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtw6bkjo.fsf@gnus.org> <838s7qbjn2.fsf@gnu.org> <87eehi820x.fsf@gnus.org> <83v9at9xel.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnv8xlqa.fsf@gnus.org> <838s7o9g90.fsf@gnu.org> <87blckvux5.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22416"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 16 18:28:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lC49V-0005ii-3k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:28:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42114 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC49U-000509-65 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:28:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35258) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC3nx-00049R-32 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:06:29 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55610) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC3nw-0002M2-RH; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:06:28 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4065 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lC3no-0000ro-I4; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:06:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87blckvux5.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:28:38 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264899 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:28:38 +0100 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Thus, to use this new command, the user should know, up front, that he > > or she wants to _invoke_ some command from the set of those applicable > > to the current modes. I'm wondering how will users know that. > > When I'm in some new and strange mode, and I know that I want to do > something with the data there, then getting a list of those commands, > and then being able to execute them seems convenient. Strangely enough, when _I_ am in some new and strange mode, I read its documentation, and if that's not enough, read its code. To each one their own... > > Then how about if we stop mentioning M-x in this thread? It is > > utterly confusing to mention M-x when we actually are talking about > > something else. Some of the suggestions voiced here made me nervous > > because I thought people were suggesting changes in how M-x works; now > > I'm relieved to learn that no change to M-x's MO was meant. > > It's a new M-x-like command, but with a different predicate. I don't > think you'll find people are going to stop mentioning M-x here. Too bad.