From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] lisp/bookmark.el: make bookmark-fontify nil by default Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 17:15:27 +0300 Message-ID: <83sg2iq074.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1df50c0d035675f851387d689030d588@purelymail.com> <86B752BC-74DB-4767-AF5A-6D9AA5B2DA87@bydasein.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39636"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Paul W. Rankin" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 19 16:16:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljN06-0009zD-CB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 16:16:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42776 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljN05-0005u9-91 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 10:16:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53912) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMyn-0004ZN-4U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 10:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50174) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMym-0008Tj-Lx; Wed, 19 May 2021 10:15:20 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3844 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljMyl-0000m7-Sw; Wed, 19 May 2021 10:15:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86B752BC-74DB-4767-AF5A-6D9AA5B2DA87@bydasein.com> (emacs-devel@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:269483 Archived-At: > Feedback-ID: 791:353:null:purelymail > Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 22:00:24 +1000 > From: "Paul W. Rankin" via "Emacs development discussions." > > > On 18 May 2021, at 4:20 pm, Paul W. Rankin wrote: > > > > Ugh. Not sure how this slipped into master but it is not a good/considerate idea to set default value of bookmark-fontify to t. > > > > If there are no reasonable objections I'll push this later today. > > To recap the bookmark-fontify saga the takeaways appear to be: > > Everyone in the thread seems to get the default should be nil not t. The fix has since been reverted. Whether this does get fixed now or after 28 (and the ensuing cascade of befuddled people asking/complaining about the appearance of an inexplicable error highlight thing) is left to the next brave soul. I'm certain that we will make the necessary changes when this discussion reaches its conclusion. > It seems I hurt some people's feelings by pushing the fix without waiting for their "okay". I am aware but I'd be lying if I said I cared about this. The irony that pushing this feature out without caring about annoying anyone else, and that this fix was to avoid that happening, seems quite lost. Undoing someone's changes without hearing their opinion is very unkind, and shouldn't have place in a friendly community, except in an emergency (which this one isn't). There was no reason to rush with undoing the change; if the default value annoys so immensely, it is a simple matter to turn it off on your machines, and then wait until the discussion reaches some conclusion. > But you don't need to take my word for it! Here's some guy named Neal Stephenson saying the reason he uses Emacs is because it does not do this kind of thing: > https://youtu.be/0JDFd_BoN1k?t=2572 He must be talking about Emacs releases. We don't promise that the development version of Emacs will never annoy anyone, there could be (hopefully, brief) times when it does.