From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Change default behavior of some commands that act on region?
Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 17:14:16 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83sg2ekg93.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvwnrq7twv.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Sat, 22 May 2021 10:03:07 -0400)
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 10:03:07 -0400
>
> > There are some commands, such as `downcase-region',
> > that act on the region regardless of whether it's
> > active. Because `transient-mark-mode' has been on by
> > default for quite a while now, and because there are
> > few such commands, users can wonder what's going on.
>
> I see two sub-issues to this:
>
> 1- Breaking long-standing behavior. I'll let others figure out how to
> minimize this (e.g. by testing for `transient-mark-mode` or something).
>
> 2- If we take a step back, I think we'll see there's a "better optimum"
> in this area when `transient-mark-mode` is in use. E.g. we could
> combine `downcase-word` and `downcase-region` into a single command
> which will do either of the two depending on `use-region-p`.
To remind us, this was triggered by someone's mistaken keypress. I
don't think we should use such mistakes to justify significant changes
in long-established behavior. I can easily come up with other
examples where mistakenly holding, e.g., the Ctrl key makes an
absolute mess of my editing (e.g., 's' becomes C-s, and the rest of
what I type more-or-less disappears into the void). That doesn't mean
we should make over-reaching changes to save me from myself. That way
lies madness, IMO. We should stop before it's too late.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-05-22 14:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-05-21 20:58 Change default behavior of some commands that act on region? Drew Adams
2021-05-22 6:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-22 6:19 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-05-22 6:36 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2021-05-22 7:00 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-05-22 6:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-22 7:00 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-05-22 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 0:23 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-23 0:23 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-22 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-22 14:14 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-05-22 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-23 0:25 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-22 19:26 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-22 21:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-23 0:25 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 14:27 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 17:50 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 18:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 19:22 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 19:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 20:07 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-22 23:07 ` Tim Cross
2021-05-23 0:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-23 0:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-23 1:37 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-23 7:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 14:28 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 15:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-05-23 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 18:44 ` T.V Raman
2021-05-22 20:48 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-23 0:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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