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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Change default behavior of some commands that act on region?
Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 17:14:16 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83sg2ekg93.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvwnrq7twv.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Sat, 22 May 2021 10:03:07 -0400)

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 10:03:07 -0400
> 
> > There are some commands, such as `downcase-region',
> > that act on the region regardless of whether it's
> > active.  Because `transient-mark-mode' has been on by
> > default for quite a while now, and because there are
> > few such commands, users can wonder what's going on.
> 
> I see two sub-issues to this:
> 
> 1- Breaking long-standing behavior.  I'll let others figure out how to
>    minimize this (e.g. by testing for `transient-mark-mode` or something).
> 
> 2- If we take a step back, I think we'll see there's a "better optimum"
>    in this area when `transient-mark-mode` is in use.  E.g. we could
>    combine `downcase-word` and `downcase-region` into a single command
>    which will do either of the two depending on `use-region-p`.

To remind us, this was triggered by someone's mistaken keypress.  I
don't think we should use such mistakes to justify significant changes
in long-established behavior.  I can easily come up with other
examples where mistakenly holding, e.g., the Ctrl key makes an
absolute mess of my editing (e.g., 's' becomes C-s, and the rest of
what I type more-or-less disappears into the void).  That doesn't mean
we should make over-reaching changes to save me from myself.  That way
lies madness, IMO.  We should stop before it's too late.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-22 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-21 20:58 Change default behavior of some commands that act on region? Drew Adams
2021-05-22  6:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-22  6:19   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-05-22  6:36     ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2021-05-22  7:00       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-05-22  6:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-22  7:00       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-05-22  7:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23  0:23         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-23  0:23   ` Drew Adams
2021-05-22 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-22 14:14   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-05-22 14:33     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-23  0:25     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-22 19:26   ` Drew Adams
2021-05-22 21:16     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-23  0:25       ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23  6:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 14:27       ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 15:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 17:50           ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 18:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 19:22               ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 19:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 20:07                   ` Drew Adams
2021-05-22 23:07   ` Tim Cross
2021-05-23  0:24     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-23  0:55     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-23  1:37       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-23  7:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-23 14:28           ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 15:12             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-05-23 17:48               ` Drew Adams
2021-05-23 18:44               ` T.V Raman
2021-05-22 20:48 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-23  0:24   ` [External] : " Drew Adams

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