From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master b72f885: Make dlet work like let, not let* Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 14:40:16 +0300 Message-ID: <83sfzpl9pb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wnp5m9i5.fsf@gnu.org> <9DE2F5D1-A89A-4357-9E46-268F697D8260@acm.org> <837dh2mz57.fsf@gnu.org> <74C5058D-AF5C-4F1A-8D08-251935A69693@acm.org> <831r7amsef.fsf@gnu.org> <83y29il8nx.fsf@gnu.org> <878s1hucqi.fsf@web.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34926"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 04 13:41:29 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mBFH7-0008vH-N0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2021 13:41:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58562 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mBFH6-0005ho-Bs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2021 07:41:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53296) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mBFG7-0004sC-HR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2021 07:40:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56052) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mBFG4-000487-Ec; Wed, 04 Aug 2021 07:40:27 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3495 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mBFG1-00035k-Ug; Wed, 04 Aug 2021 07:40:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <878s1hucqi.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Wed, 04 Aug 2021 05:09:57 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272033 Archived-At: > From: Michael Heerdegen > Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 05:09:57 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > So what are your suggestions regarding this issue? Leave it as it is > > now, go back to what we had before, something else? > > If you want another opinion: I find the name mildly confusing too. It > has the potential that people write broken code (vs. we brake code > because of this change now). > > And I think this is that kind of thing that tends to be discussed again > and again. This is not the issue which bothered me, not at all. What bothers me is that we discuss the name of a macro that has been in our sources for more than a year, and people and packages might depend on it. Discussions about names should have been held a year ago, not now. Now this is at most a minor issue that unfortunately slipped through the cracks, and we shouldn't waste energy on arguing about it, same as we do with typos or omissions in Git commit log messages: water under the bridge. > But it is definitely an extremely rarely used macro. FWIW, I can't > remember the name for other reasons, I always search for something named > "fluid-let" (Scheme) or "dynamical-let" (vs. "lexical-let" we had > in the past) - but that may be only me. If I learned something during my 30+ years of using and developing Emacs it's that usage patterns differ wildly between people. What looks rare and unimportant to me and you could be someone's bread and butter.