From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/package-vc has been merged Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:15:18 +0200 Message-ID: <83sfiomf7t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <164484721900.31751.1453162457552427931@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <874jvcowzm.fsf@posteo.net> <83y1soypvx.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1song5x.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8nsyof7.fsf@gnu.org> <87leoond7l.fsf@posteo.net> <87pmdxgptl.fsf@posteo.net> <87iljotycc.fsf@thaodan.de> <87k044fvx9.fsf@posteo.net> <87a650twv7.fsf@thaodan.de> <87wn84ednr.fsf@posteo.net> <87y1sks82p.fsf@thaodan.de> <87mt909g3o.fsf@posteo.net> <87leojswzm.fsf@thaodan.de> <875yfluy99.fsf@thaodan.de> <875yfk1uqm.fsf@posteo.net> <87y1sg5ntn.fsf@thaodan.de> <83tu34mhys.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0405lyn.fsf@thaodan.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2086"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 12 15:16:04 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1otrIi-0000JJ-6U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:16:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otrHz-00027r-LS; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:15:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otrHx-00025c-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:15:17 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otrHv-0001LR-Qp; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:15:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=FeLSAQ8iwV9kzZISz8A7dKqpXZPcOfpM2mHIQ89Aswo=; b=Yu5fh6kWhFxS7kyIfbaN tIRd3p2P/YbR1+SCJHdpSAfvbPOtZWlMDEtR+gxyjcv806Mt3o0XxthixjzMK7T9ZMXuwe90nTCx0 tEX9ekVBZc70geB26Yh03zjQDYsx63ueJDSIrK1h4BOMKt0avz4qrCrpoPZCHge83khemzRkvEMO1 TDZ21o5WFpVj+XWz7LPXR1J/MNSIvaIFi4dSSW3aQjiLRXmM+u5DjX0yKlHyZNSPvkf3Nb5X0DkuO eKPLqmgzTYtPc/agmTLH9O4FOjPl1g3hIBk1FXsDv7pbLgxmPQT3WD0eRAacXvKxOvkdjYI3onRWF AmeyxF0p2uk2UA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otrHu-00025a-RQ; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:15:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87k0405lyn.fsf@thaodan.de> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6r?= =?utf-8?Q?n?= Bidar on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:41:36 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299653 Archived-At: > From: Björn Bidar > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:41:36 +0200 > > > No one says MELPA equals bad, and Github is not the issue here. We > > Than I misunderstood RMS when he said: > >>Please do not encourage people to load packages from MELPA. "Not to encourage" is a far cry from "bad". > > just avoid recommending people to use MELPA because doing so could > > accidentally cause someone to install non-free packages, or packages > > that proliferate or require non-free programs. It's a preference > > thing, not a damnation. > > I wasn't aware of packages in MELPA that do such a thing, especially > about non-free packages. > > >From my knowledge Melpa doesn't contain those packages nomore than Elpa > already does (Microsoft Exchange support, excorporate). > > Can you name such packages? No, I cannot. I don't track MELPA. You can find them in past discussions, though. > In the end people either can use Emacs on day to day work where they are > forced to use such systems that interact with non-free services or not. We don't (and cannot) force people to do (or avoid doing) anything, neither can we hide the fact that MELPA exists. We just _encourage_ them to try to use only free software. It's a difference between expressing an opinion and violently enforcing that opinion on others.