From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:26:48 +0300 Message-ID: <83sf8fz8kn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j48eg9.fsf@localhost> <83ttsw2oeb.fsf@gnu.org> <87lee889ta.fsf@localhost> <83pm3k2mj2.fsf@gnu.org> <87jztsno4s.fsf@localhost> <83lee737gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87zg2nmmhl.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4028"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 19 11:27:22 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qXIEr-0000rD-Di for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:27:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXIE9-0002HP-8f; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 05:26:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXIE8-0002H0-7a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 05:26:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXIE7-0000IT-VF; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 05:26:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=QtHgtq2hfsuJX0vMlbz8yi6/8/aQqhBiXcb6eWqq3M8=; b=rKPPqkXnNSxJ or6gLrM7ml34Y1woebR03yVjM4YKIWT70MhqAkoVpmxTF84SxFRvZo3BUlm4A3teTddd3xCSMzhvR 6qxxVYMjblIZ+304v1QkMvGBi6Wx+0/v6f/rNSz/HM6eeVb2zjjZ6gMaZhXdt45JQgFoxO1en+7fi fgChAfvlcj3CdnLcnI0+P3ggnFewHf2HCmonumKtdmiXZ6VwpZ2OWm/UDWn+XcFwAarYK1i7Hzf1V xQ0evpQB7iuxon/SrDKbh2wX+Dy32LXofJzD7x7/Qxfg2IIJV9Sk02Lu8dk7mEL5Esp1eexyju0Wr qVVYndrV/Ac3ACLT3yZjYQ==; In-Reply-To: <87zg2nmmhl.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:04:38 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308921 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:04:38 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> > I'd welcome such a change, FWIW. > >> > >> But how would Org benefit from it? > > > > I explained that below this part in my email. > > I thought that you were referring to RMS' request. I was. But Richard reads this list, so he will see what I wrote and respond if he wants to. > > I don't know why Richard made that request. From my POV, switching > > from Texinfo to _any_ significantly different markup has the > > significant disadvantage that people who routinely improve our manuals > > will have to learn a new language, and that will likely lower their > > motivation. > > > For better and for worse, Texinfo is our documentation system. It is > > a good system, and is actively developed (version 7.1 will be released > > soon), so abandoning it for something that is less familiar to those > > who take care of the documentation is a net loss, IMO. We have enough > > real problems on our hands to afford inventing new ones. > > This may be true in general, but not for Org development. > People contributing to the Org manual are expected to understand Org > markup. So, it is Texinfo that becomes the new language to learn and > that creates an extra contribution barrier. If the idea is that the main contributors to the Org documentation are Org users, and the rest of Emacs developers don't really count for this purpose, then why did you count the contributions of the latter to begin with? they should be immaterial for you, AFAIU.