From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:31:57 +0300 Message-ID: <83r3l0ndk2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> <56191EBE.5050404@yandex.ru> <83612essaw.fsf@gnu.org> <877fmuix68.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <8337xispn2.fsf@gnu.org> <56195055.6010409@gmx.at> <83r3l2r1nf.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444674765 24361 80.91.229.3 (12 Oct 2015 18:32:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Steinar Bang Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 20:32:35 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zlhth-0008Vr-Pb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:32:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58014 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zlhtg-00085T-H5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:32:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49292) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhtN-00082c-AB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:32:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhtK-0005wv-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:32:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:40092) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlhtJ-0005we-Sz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:32:10 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NW400900DSPWX00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:31:46 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NW4009JFE4XUZ40@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:31:46 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191377 Archived-At: > From: Steinar Bang > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:12:22 +0200 > > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii : > > > To me, an IDE is not a set of functionalities. It's a coherent > > application that provides an IDE-like look-and-feel, and all the > > related functions already integrated and ready for me to be used. > > That includes window-layout, btw, because configuring Emacs windows > > for IDE-like behavior is an exceedingly complex task, one that's > > impossible without good command of ELisp. > > Ah, there we differ. I don't care about the layout and would feel > constrained in that layout. > > But I do want the functionalities. The interesting question is what the youngsters want (or expect) these days. You and me are sold long ago.