From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:58:00 +0200 Message-ID: <83r3i5dz7b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> <2dc99848-b6d5-4f53-b22c-66e29d15647c@default> <444c19cb-4687-41c4-8291-481f5b5a42a1@default> <9e93866e-c6a4-42e3-b8b2-70fd6185b25e@default> <568102D0.5030707@cs.ucla.edu> <032eb0f9-1cc3-44fa-b37b-af697c8bdc86@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451404651 24030 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2015 15:57:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: random832@fastmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 16:57:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDweM-00020s-5c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:57:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49039 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDweL-0007VI-HT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:57:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47370) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDwe6-0007V6-Si for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:57:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDwe2-0002Fj-SR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:57:10 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57621) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDwe2-0002Ff-Ou; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:57:06 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4491 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aDwe1-0006jS-Qc; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:57:06 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Yuri Khan on Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:01:48 +0600) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197087 Archived-At: > From: Yuri Khan > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:01:48 +0600 > Cc: Emacs developers > > > Alternatively, new buffers could be initially created with the UTF-8 > encoding, leaving the locale-specified encoding only for dealing with > legacy files. > IMO, this is a non-starter. It took us a lot of time and errors to arrive at the current defaults in encoding and decoding text in various situations; we should only change those defaults if users complain (which would mean UTF-8 completed conquering the world). We are not there yet.