From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mouse-wheel-scroll Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 17:37:21 +0300 Message-ID: <83r319pnfi.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83k27654sa.fsf@gnu.org> <9239A44A-8CF8-4A54-9B59-F2EE28D669EE@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp> <83shlqp6c8.fsf@gnu.org> <20170403.145049.67681005.tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1491230246 19741 195.159.176.226 (3 Apr 2017 14:37:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 14:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tak Kunihiro Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 03 16:37:21 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cv36Z-000463-UZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:37:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59588 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cv36f-0007We-NV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:37:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53833) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cv36a-0007WT-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:37:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cv36X-0000IP-0p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:37:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cv36W-0000II-TN; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:37:12 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3063 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cv36W-0005FR-6b; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:37:12 -0400 In-reply-to: <20170403.145049.67681005.tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp> (message from Tak Kunihiro on Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:50:49 +0900 (JST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:213614 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:50:49 +0900 (JST) > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp > From: Tak Kunihiro > > >> My environment with one-click 75-lines is show below. > >> - Logitech Anywhere Mouse MX > >> - MacOS 10.9.5 > >> - Logitech Control Center 3.9.0. > >> - Speed: Slow > >> - Acceleration: Middle > >> > >> Its wheel is similar to Logitech Performance MX mouse as described by > >> Kaushal. It seems that `one-click' on the device generates several > >> `typical one-clicką considering velocity. > > > > Isn't it expected that such special mice need non-default > > customizations of the related Emacs features? IOW, why non-default > > values that give good results for these mice would be good for the > > rest of the users, _as_defaults_? > > (1) Mouse > > I did not notice if I am using special since that works well with > other applications. How much does it scroll for a single click with, for instance, a Web browser or a word processor? I'm saying that the acceleration setting is AFAIK not available with other mice. > Regardless of my understanding, it took 3 years to find how to teak. > It is good to have the tips in Info to scroll less. The information is already in the manual, but if you think it is not detailed enough, we can certainly expand it. > (2) Touchpad and Trackbar > > Using touchpad or trackbar on laptop computers, I think that defaults > scroll too fast, especially by trackbar. Don't you think so? I will try that later. > Laptop computers without mouse are common. I wonder if unusable on > laptop computers without mouse beats inconvenience on desktop > computers with mouse. If we can more-or-less reliably detect each situation, sure, adapting Emacs to each one would be an improvement. Does anyone know how to detect them? > No matter who has a priority, it is good to have the tips in Info for > those who think Emacs scrolls too fast. I agree.