From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2017 09:57:26 +0300 Message-ID: <83r2xrl8kp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8737aac0rb.fsf@wanadoo.es> <7s37aapc4g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fue7c32j.fsf@russet.org.uk> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499497075 4577 195.159.176.226 (8 Jul 2017 06:57:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 06:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, rgm@gnu.org, ken.manheimer@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 08 08:57:50 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dTjgb-0000uM-GK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 08:57:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60088 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTjgh-0003zg-00 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 02:57:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37970) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTjga-0003zO-FQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 02:57:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTjgW-0002VS-26 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 02:57:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36800) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTjgV-0002VI-UE; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 02:57:43 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1225 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dTjgO-00064y-Fd; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 02:57:36 -0400 In-reply-to: <87fue7c32j.fsf@russet.org.uk> (phillip.lord@russet.org.uk) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216302 Archived-At: > From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 23:08:52 +0100 > Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, rgm@gnu.org, Ken Manheimer , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > So, we can all bitch about the process; here is a suggestion to improve > things using current software that we already use -- debbugs, installed > with non-public archives which I presume it can do. > > 1) Get list of all contributors/contributor emails > 2) Email assign with full list to find out who needs doing > 3) Email each person with new debugs ticket > 4) One of: > assign@fsf cc's electronic communication to debbugs > assign@fsf acknowledges paper communication *in either direction* > to debbugs. assign would probably need to attach an ID number to > outgoing assignment forms. There's no need to rely on the FSF assignment clerk for tracking this process: you can ask me to do that instead. I see all the steps of this process in my email inbox anyway, whether I want it or not. In general, people who bump into bureaucratic impediments related to GNU or FSF should ask for help. Making this better/easier is part of my and John's duties, and we have access to resources others don't. You shouldn't need to try to solve these problems alone. > If you will get someone to set up debbugs to support this, help with > using it, and get assign@gnu to buy into the process, I will test it out > with the new assignments need to update dash. If you and GNU are bought > into improving the process, we can refine the details overtime. FWIW, I don't want this to be handled via debbugs, as debbugs is terribly unhelpful in little things that sometimes just make me mad. Having to cope with it for handling bug reports is bad enough.