From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: command mode-specificity [was: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change...] Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 22:21:15 +0200 Message-ID: <83r1le5ttw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wnv7spji.fsf@gnus.org> <875z2rslqk.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1lfr647.fsf@gnus.org> <87pn0zfs4u.fsf@telefonica.net> <83mtw27l21.fsf@gnu.org> <2943d7ae-84fd-7762-609e-9e4afcbf4c8d@yandex.ru> <83eehe7jpb.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32780"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 21:32:50 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lCTVB-0008PK-A2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 21:32:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45014 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCTVA-0001fK-9F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:32:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60418) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCTJs-0006Ue-Jx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:21:08 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCTJr-0006pR-7m; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:21:07 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1368 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lCTJp-0006PQ-SH; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:21:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Wed, 17 Feb 2021 21:52:49 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265081 Archived-At: > Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 21:52:49 +0200 > > So perhaps you want to reconsider the change of default at this time? I already did. > It's reasonable to default the new feature to off in the Emacs 28 > release, but keeping it on for a few upcoming months at least should > help us iron out the kinks and maybe even resolve our differences, > rather than swiping them under the carpet. > > That would be in line with previous discussions about enabling > experimental features on master for a while to collect feedback. The feature is there, available for testing with a simple customization. I didn't delete the feature. It is normal for us to introduce new features as opt-in; the reverse is unusual, and in this case I don't see why we would make such an unusual step. The feature is quite minor. Making it on by default is still on the table, but IMO it's premature, if not plain wrong, to make such decisions before we see the feature in its more-or-less final form. The discussion doesn't seem to be anywhere near winding up, and neither are new and useful ideas about it.