From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs master: different (ugly) font in org-mode [Windows, macOS] Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:48:29 +0300 Message-ID: <83r1cy2x2q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1758826875.387473.1633124447794@mail1.libero.it> <87a6jsqbhq.fsf@protesilaos.com> <1048176278.452440.1633374684696@mail1.libero.it> <87sfxgr320.fsf@protesilaos.com> <83sfxf4rs2.fsf@gnu.org> <1638550012.538.1633441275953@mail1.libero.it> <83a6jn4gpq.fsf@gnu.org> <1553192207.19756.1633463102315@mail1.libero.it> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32018"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: info@protesilaos.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Angelo Graziosi Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 06 13:49:57 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mY5Qr-00087g-Br for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 13:49:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40730 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY5Qp-0000wB-FN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 07:49:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47288) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY5Pc-0008Di-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 07:48:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY5Pa-00024G-Hn; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 07:48:38 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2889 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY5PZ-0001hc-6l; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 07:48:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1553192207.19756.1633463102315@mail1.libero.it> (message from Angelo Graziosi on Tue, 5 Oct 2021 21:45:02 +0200 (CEST)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276423 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 21:45:02 +0200 (CEST) > From: Angelo Graziosi > Cc: info@protesilaos.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Have you see the screenshots attached here: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-10/msg00064.html? > > In my opinion Courier is very ugly... Well, "ugly" is a subjective opinion. It's okay not to like it, but it isn't necessarily a good reason to call for any changes in the defaults. (I'm aware that it wasn't you who suggested the change.) Making fixed-pitch use the same font as the default font basically does away with fixed-pitch as a distinct face. That makes little sense to me. AFAIR, Courier was chosen to make sure the face will be usable on all Windows versions. We tried to use other alternative fonts that are always present on Windows systems, but they all had problems. > > have the same font as the default face? If so, it's a wrong > > expectation: we deliberately defined the fixed-pitch face to have a > > different typeface, so that it stands out. > > But Courier is ugly! If I remember, Courier is the default font on Windows and it is ugly! In the past, I tried Lucida Console (better than Courier) and Cascadia Code but even this has its own issues (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-05/msg01950.html) Then maybe you should use fixed-pitch-serif face instead?