From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 19:47:58 +0300 Message-ID: <83r0zmrzcx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8p1aiof.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87v8p01lbu.fsf@yahoo.com> <83lepwvzxq.fsf@gnu.org> <871qroyog9.fsf@yahoo.com> <837d1gvt35.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfk3yl10.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o7uqtlsl.fsf@yahoo.com> <878rlu48kq.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40924"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, spwhitton@spwhitton.name, rlb@defaultvalue.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 05 19:08:12 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1og7sR-000AP9-Sw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 19:08:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51048 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og7sQ-0005UC-So for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 13:08:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55020) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og7Z7-0000lC-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:48:24 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51180) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og7Z6-0000q7-Os; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:48:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=G45+0g+g0EKzfprJR/JubWNVH2cjxZgGCj6a+2iu6Bk=; b=DooLaUSHs5Zg QEWAdQPFL3gfcQTMRogqCX3xTwaD/JShUYGLAZZZJikYU3x+Y6+jFbAHKYmY44k32Y9ARpWuB2sgo Laa+/0zkH3dRw43QxPDplrnqe9fHFIWRrYCsxMq6fww5oiElpiQcWljr7U+ElmM5Lfx9Nq8/FwD4m 1/1CboNkFcZMpkGtDSBKqC+FUO12YS1P47YUD7ZDyZI9LgM1RFdOhzbknOzKrROfZgLkGOcOvhpSs rmIQaPa/6qNJ6llbODfQbwx7wfu5zKCbtEUi9yAvSButrK2BbDQvyvjxmdwdf8nAkparlKV/MH8R1 61YoliZwX910NyQGmqU3lg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3422 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og7Yt-0007F2-LS; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:48:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <878rlu48kq.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Wed, 05 Oct 2022 17:02:45 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296993 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , spwhitton@spwhitton.name, > rlb@defaultvalue.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 17:02:45 +0200 > > Po Lu writes: > > > That makes the fans less loud (they are still noticable), but it also > > takes twice as long for the fans to subside, as expected. > > > > Hope this data point ends up meaningful. > > Yes. > > Software is distributed pre-compiled for a reason -- because people run > the software on hardware where compiling the software takes a long time. > It's entirely reasonable for people to want to have a fully-built > native-compiled Emacs installation on their laptops, without making that > Emacs do any further JIT compilation. (Except where necessary for > trampolines, of course.) Why would people want to have N files compiled, but not the N+1st file? How are the first N files different from the N+1st? > This has been requested a number of times over several years now, but > these requests have been ignored because apparently "people shouldn't > want that". That's an incorrect and unfair accusation, so please stop.