From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tree-sitter introduction documentation Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 21:59:00 +0200 Message-ID: <83r0wi6kxn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <71cfe4e8-3bb8-b0a6-9be5-8c0a6d92cfab@yandex.ru> <83h6xg29z3.fsf@gnu.org> <838ris22n4.fsf@gnu.org> <8335901zz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87cz84y5le.fsf@posteo.net> <3F91FDEA-881A-49DB-BB52-5A0D81C004CE@gmail.com> <87k02aihrz.fsf@posteo.net> <86ce08480352653995b8@heytings.org> <87r0wigqnb.fsf@posteo.net> <86ce08480372e6e5db04@heytings.org> <87358ygmm4.fsf@posteo.net> <86ce084803fb642d8fae@heytings.org> <87r0wif59x.fsf@posteo.net> <83y1qq6p3y.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8lu6m2d.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24921"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, gregory@heytings.org, casouri@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 29 20:59:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pAz3c-0006FY-Pr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 20:59:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAz3C-000162-Pk; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:58:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAz3A-00015Z-Sm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:58:48 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAz3A-0005mJ-4Z; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:58:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=a2CarS82wGtMisDR6SZKN5o8UmnSfQKo7DS8ZAT0wOw=; b=qMTrQW4w3dmz fI9nYgYrHWBzXq2GpJ+aMJTI62lGBGiO65TGrvmyqG9edsoQ57zkYTZOm7sO8s3c+QIsgMrSwFC4z znhtMU1hRuoI+vncy1kxekPPNLxsuPLxt3Bpkfjs/XgpnrxYLKOjCXcaQF7eIELxuA2E7tF8Luq4A vbX1RZCQmAIDx3HYpYv7oY4uqQDi5mxFgAR4MqgVEKg+06+qwgv4+BtYNXrLfZhcQJuAVlaLbOpuk AMc2/nYI5ED20H3jNTEVgmVpPPfgv70sdsjRJcmsrRmO6Qz9agzF+ssXCnlN3vyIIKJsvWndoVB7b nmZgRdO7TX/uF4on7x/7Gw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAz39-000152-A2; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:58:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:48:45 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302066 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, gregory@heytings.org, casouri@gmail.com, > dgutov@yandex.ru, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:48:45 -0500 > > >> I don't think the two can really be compared. > >> Major modes have been parsing our files (and Emacs users have been > >> modifying those parsers) from the very early days of Emacs. > > Yes, in ad-hoc-ish way that is not scalable. We want to do better by > > using real parsers. > > I don't think the need to modify the parsers was exclusively due to the > fact that they were ad-hoc and not scalable :-) Of course not. We simply didn't have a parser before. > >> > So let's stay focused on letting our "normal" users use the benefits > >> > of these technologies first, and care about those who want to change > >> > the grammars second. > >> Agreed. But I think the first is well on its way > > I wish. Witness the other thread which just started. > > Funny, I see it as evidence in favor of the fact that it's well on > its way. Let's just agree to disagree here.