From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-29 b44a7ff85dc: Allow 'icon-title-format' to have the value t Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 21:07:02 +0200 Message-ID: <83r0uisuqx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <167661970773.22310.13511166994278322415@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20230217074148.2E130C1391A@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87bklooy1e.fsf@telefonica.net> <83pma3tdvo.fsf@gnu.org> <877cwboydd.fsf@telefonica.net> <83zg97rqdg.fsf@gnu.org> <87356yq2c8.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34045"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 21 20:07:42 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pUXzK-0008dq-0l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 20:07:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUXyY-00018A-Qq; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 14:06:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUXyW-00017b-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 14:06:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUXyV-0002RR-V3; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 14:06:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Z0CNqYAULcBubky74sXgoScb9QyGraLwlNxNKvMh+Jc=; b=VYmEdXcEBoSbZ9RRinu3 xPfix8lk5z21o7GyrnF5kwnypr11IXCe8b+dfbPLfNyp8XegDP3GqkyfIxyd49gBnav7fOz219Dae QtXsMEnQXMAvo5plPTu5ce/K86ltHnwppae6XqA2ky4/Fp13aRukTEhJg509Fr/8RJ3Ii/Vldbb1b yGMEtTzq9Pn9yoQdOWjlqCkQuM5bx0c21u0yR3Pc02lIkEGoKZzUwYrc9muQBnj+yrMJiqonxiOzt 7pW6dTcflmu/9Q2Jfbq5xKn8t0Rgsa6CiFGgCgaU2DUH2/5OSxYr/GB6ZaykPiFmnoAFIX3o7z9o6 T9jbclxMqakB/Q==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUXyV-0005UU-8W; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 14:06:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87356yq2c8.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes on Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:51:19 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303661 Archived-At: > From: Óscar Fuentes > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:51:19 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > If that's what users want, how did they do it before this change? > > They didn't need to do anything, because icon-frame-title was > ineffective and Emacs used frame-title-format when minimized too. They don't need to do anything now, either, because the default value of icon-frame-title is a string whose text is identical to that of frame-title-format. > > If the desktop doesn't behave like KDE, users could simply set both > > formats to two identical strings. The only reason to force Emacs to > > use the _same_ string (which can only be done internally) is that > > those desktops misbehave. > > The reason to force Emacs to use the same string is to behave as most > users expect, and to avoid hard-to-detect breakage on desktop automation > setups that depend on the title of the window. > > That was explained in #61496. No need to rehash the discussion here. > > > So I don't see why we should remove the explanation. > > > >> OTOH, maybe we could explain that icon-frame-title it is effective > >> in cases where the user does not explicitly iconify the frame, as > >> when he moves to another virtual desktop. > > > > Sorry, I don't think I understand what you mean here. > > Again, it was explained in #61496. Look, you started this discussion. Now it sounds like you don't want to continue it. Neither do I, as a matter of fact. I see no need to change anything in the documentation of these features.